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Posted on March 21, 2007 by hillel on About, Behind the Scenes

Time Off

In the post a couple of days ago I pointed out that a much likelier way of guaranteeing a regular income is to create a solid business with low overhead and consistent returns than betting the farm on the long shot flip or IPO. Astute readers will notice that this “solid business” typically requires that you continue to work there to earn that regular income, while in the dream exit after flip or IPO does not. This is true. That said, there are a few things I realized about myself that make this moot – for me at least.

  • I don’t want to stop working. Ever. I couldn’t find the study I thought I read that showed that people with a place to go every day lived longer. But even if that was disproven I’d still want to work forever. It’s who I am. It’s how I want to spend my time.
  • I don’t want to wait until I’m in my fifties, sixties, to spend extended time with my family, doing what i want, travelling the world, etc. To me the time to have those experiences is now. This is not a statement that having those experiences later in life is without value. It’s more that I don’t know why I should have to wait. I want to have those experiences now and later.

For most people this is an either/or choice. Since we’re just starting out here at Jackson Fish I can’t guarantee that it won’t be the same type of choice for us as well. That said, we are going to try and design our business so that the entire company (or as many folks as possible) can take extended vacations (think one month) at the same time every year (think August and December). This is no small feat and it’s a pretty significant wrinkle to incorporate into your cost structure. That said, I have worked at large companies where for the bulk of August and December most folks aren’t around anyway. And typically when you work as a team, if even a couple of members of your team are out it saps productivity for everyone else. Why not send everyone off to live their life, come back refreshed, and ready to kick some ass?

So I agree, that in the non-flip/IPO model, unless you’re an owner, you have to keep working to continue to earn that income. And I do understand that there are many people who want to spend as long as possible lounging on a beach, travelling, learning to surf, etc. But for me, I’d like to do those things and work. And since the flipping or going public is such a rare occurence in the first place, who’s to say that the people who pursue that path don’t spend the rest of their lives working anyway. (I like the lottery, but it’s not my retirement plan.) Hopefully here at Jackson Fish, we’ll be living and working our dream, rather than constantly pursuing a difficult dream that has a much smaller chance of occuring. I realize that this sounds corny/idealistic, but how else would you want to live your life.

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    Scott

    March 21, 2007 at 9:06 am

    This is brilliant. I wish you could share this sentiment with every CEO in the country. You’ve exposed the bug in capitalism, which is that you always have to grow and grow until you’re incompetent, and you have hit upon a way to work around it.

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    Tom Tokarski

    March 21, 2007 at 9:10 am

    Bravo! Boy, if I wasn’t happy in my current venture, I’d be sending my resume over to JacksonFish…

    I share your sentiments exactly. Even if I had the luxury of not ‘having to work,’ I’d still need something to drive me and keep me engaged – some sense of professional purpose (the ‘ying’ to balance the ‘yang’ of family/personal life).

    While this may also sound corny/idealistic, the main lesson I want to pass along to my kids is “if you love what you do, you’ll never work a day in your life.” I’ve see far too many miserable people pursuing “dream exits” that turn into nightmares. Too much focus on the destination, and not enough on the journey.

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    James D Kirk

    March 21, 2007 at 9:22 am

    It really does seem to come down to simply making the plan, setting the goal. And then working your butt off to get to it, of course!

    If you’ve noticed the flapping of late about “A-list” bloggers holding down the others, yada yada yada. Almost exclusively the most recurring response from said A-listers is the amount of consistent and persistent work they’ve done to “get there”. And I’d add that they likely had some sort of goal or plan to get there as well.

    And to your concepts of the IPO winner who could lie on the beach for the rest of their natural lives: sure, I’ll bet it happens, but look at how many of them get back into the game before very long. Seems to just be the nature of serial entrepreneurship.

    Sounds like you’ve got those same genes ;)

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    Kurt Brockett

    March 21, 2007 at 9:30 am

    Hillel,
    I love this post. I’ve been a worker bee for the past 8 years or so and NEVER take vacation because I was always trying to “move up”. In fact when I left my last job I had about a month of vacation time that I just took a check for. I ended my old job on a Monday and the next day I flew out at 7AM to start my new job. So my “time off” between jobs was oh about 1/2 a day. I think I let the “opporunity cost” of taking a month off disproportinately weigh into my planning process. In reality these vacations are when you become a better person and a better employee. Again thanks for the post.

    Kurt

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    Nomadishere

    March 21, 2007 at 10:00 am

    Hillel – “And trust me, Walter is way cooler than me.:)” via

    Well man, I can’t wait to meet both of you one day in the not-to distant future.

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    Gavin Quinn

    March 22, 2007 at 6:39 am

    I have a hard time believing that people are building businesses purely to flip them or to IPO. Obviously people hope that will happen, or are always looking for an exit strategy, but no one is going to be successful if they don’t believe in their business, especially for the long run.

    As far as working your whole life, or not working, I think that is beside the point. Obviously no one will live the rest of their life, even rich just playing xbox all day. But I think the converse of that, going to work a pointless 9-5 so you can earn $40,000 + a 3% 401k match (which less people take then should), is just as pointless.

    I think anyone who does something they love, and feel like they can make a difference will be happy. Having a good payout here and there to give you the flexibility, and freedom to pursue those things just makes it better.

    Traveling now and later, and having experiences is all part of life. I am also a healthy person, and when I see people at my job who say “I can’t work out, because I don’t have time, the deadline is coming up.” — This screams lack of balance, and is not something I want to be a part of.

    I could go on.

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    Hillel

    March 22, 2007 at 8:00 am

    :)

    I agree with pretty much everything.

    And it’s true that pretty much nobody will tell you they are building a business purely to flip or IPO. But often when I’ve talked to folks if you listen to them closely, in terms of how they spend their time, and what they optimize around, it’s clearly the only viable option they’re considering, because they’re not putting any serious thought into the other dimensions of their business.

    So sure, an entrepreneur tells me that they believe in their business for the long term, but often (not always) their behavior doesn’t match their stated aspirations. So either they’re bs’ing me, or more likely they are kidding themselves which is super dangerous.

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    Gavin Quinn

    March 22, 2007 at 10:18 am

    Hillel,

    You’re probably right on a lot of sites. I think that the YouTube phenomenon really messed with a lot of people’s minds. “I can get 1.6 billion dollars with 6 months of work!” That is definately the exception and not the rule.

    However, if people are creating worthwhile services that are drawing a crowd, and that crows gets value from this service — then in time that will turn into $$. I think the current structure of google adsense is almost worthless. But no one can argue that having millions of dedicated users valuing your service cannot be monetized with some help and a little creativity.

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    markmark

    July 11, 2007 at 9:30 pm

    this is so cool, thank for your… what comes to mind is “leadership…” in this.

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