Job Security (Does the photo sharing site I want exist?)
My first reaction to this situation is that most folks who make software for a living will have steady employment for a long long time.
Here’s the situation. I am looking for a website to use to share my photos with my family. I have the following preferences:
- I want to background sync my files up to the site. I have thousands of photos and generate lots more all the time. I don’t have time for uploads. I want a little bit of client code that I can point at my folders of photos and have them upload to the site automagically. All the uploaders I’ve tried (like Flickr’s for example) invariably fail halfway through large jobs and then I have to figure out where the hell they stopped and end up uploading things twice. I get that the network isn’t perfect. That’s why I want resilient sync.
- I want to protect my photos with a password. Most of my relatives are simply not up for creating accounts in order to access my photos. And even if I can get the bulk of them to create an account the first time, they invariably forget their credentials. Ultimately, requiring logon stops them from seeing the pics. A password isn’t perfect, but I can make it simple and include it with each mail publicizing recently added pictures.
- I want a custom look and feel. No matter how often a website tells me how gorgeous their albums are… they’re almost never what I want. Let me make them look decent with some CSS.
- I want to use my own domain. It’s not hard to do. Charge me extra. But let me name the site the way I want. A subdomain, or my own director isn’t enough. (I’ll admit I could live without this if someone nailed the other three.)
Can anyone name a site that meets the above requirements? I thought PhanFare would be perfect. No luck though. They’re dumping the features I need and turning themselves into a social network. Aren’t there enough social networks? Flickr has a third party sync tool, but fails on the other fronts. Sharpcast is abandoning their photo sharing service for a universal sync tool. SmugMug appears to be the leading candidate, but I cannot spend weeks uploading my pics by hand to the site — no sync.
Can someone give me the photo site I need? I’ll admit, my needs are not that of the average user. But I don’t believe they’re mine alone. And I’m willing to pay for this service. As best I can tell, the service that I want (and that I suspect a decent number of other people want) doesn’t exist. And frankly, I find it pretty surprising that it doesn’t at this point.
I believe that as long as there are people willing to pay for software services that don’t exist, there will be plenty of employment for people who make software for a living. (Or maybe I’ve somehow missed the existence of my dream service and we’re all about to find ourselves out of work. :) )
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Don MacAskill
April 3, 2008 at 10:22 pm
SmugMug doesn’t provide a syncing utility, you’re right, but there are a few under development using our API.
I believe we provide all of the necessary data via the API to enable true two-way (or more) sync, but I don’t think any of them are “shipping” quite yet. We’re actively helping our 3rd party developers who are working on the problem, though.
So I guess I’d say “Stay Tuned”. Wish I had better news, but thanks for thinking of us. I love the work from Jackson Fish Market I’ve seen so far – gorgeous. Keep it up!
Domingo
April 3, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Hi Hillel,
I encourage you to try SugarSync, the new Sync product from Sharpcast. It will do 3 out of your 4 requirements very well. Only the UI customization is not there yet, but it’s probably coming soon. It’s here http://www.sugarsync.com to try for free.
Mike
April 4, 2008 at 1:43 am
Interesting features… especially the background sync part. Am pretty sure you have tried Google Picasa… while not really a social site like Flickr and the rest… it does come very handy for uploading massive amount of photos up via their offline client.
I guess it will be a matter of time before anyone outside those big photo sharing site to come up with an AIR type application that plugs into the api and allows for what you need… the sync and massive upload can be solved easily… the rest of your request… custom look and feel should not be too difficult. Most blogging sites have plenty of template style / css for your usage.
The rest will be a bonus. :) May be someone should look into Zoto, which just gone open source with their code and could add those features in without starting from scratch…
Speed
April 4, 2008 at 3:14 am
A Microsoft Max meets Skydrive kinda thing?
Aaron
April 4, 2008 at 4:23 am
I’m not sure if you’re running Win or Mac these days, but I just created a simple SmugMug uploader that is designed to take some of the pain out of mass uploading, with passwords, etc. (You just point it at a directory it takes care of the rest). It’s here: http://www.wiredprairie.us/snugup (Win only). I’m working on a V2 already that adds the ability to selectively upload/resume. It’s not my day job though, so development is slow going. :-)
Hillel
April 4, 2008 at 8:51 am
@Don: Thanks for the nice words. Look forward to the sync tools. I will admit though that since sync is something that once you invest in it, you can’t switch tools without wiping and reloading your whole account, I’m loathe to depend on a third-party sync tool for smugmug from a non-commercial venture. I worry that the thing will break, or mess up, or stop getting supported and my investment will be lost.
@Domingo: I’ve been a loyal sharpcast user in the past and had many offers to try SugarSync. I honestly can’t tell from your website to what extent I can share photos with other folks and to what degree the album and photo browsing UI have improved. You guys have been very forthright, so I appreciate the offer. Also, do you really support custom domains?
@Speed: More like what Microsoft Max would have been some day, and maybe what SkyDrive/FolderShare might be someday. :) Though I’m not on the team anymore so I have no idea.
@Aaron: I appreciate the pointer to the uploader, but what I’m really looking for is sync, not upload. And I don’t need a rich client UI. All I need is a control panel where I can point it at a folder on my machine and every photo in the tree below that directory will be synced.
Coalsmith
April 4, 2008 at 8:56 am
I like Photoworks. They have a bulk upload wizard. Print quality is good too. I like to keep prints around for the ‘analog’ folks in my household; Photoworks quality is great and pictures don’t fade, as my inkjet versions do (lifetime about 18months). They have a good album printer and calendars, great gifts.
DandyP
April 5, 2008 at 2:52 am
Although it definitely doesn’t do all the things you want, flickr does have a feature that is really useful for sharing photos without a password. You can select to share photos publicly using a URL that is generated using a GUID. Since the only link is from your account it shouldn’t be visible to any web crawlers and saves the need even to give a password to relatives, just give the url.
If i remember correctly it even has an expiry date you can set automatically. Possibly something to add into a solution that would be hosted on your own domain.
david
April 6, 2008 at 5:49 pm
iPhoto plus web galleries is nearly all of this. You create a folder in iphoto, drag a bunch of photos to it, publish it as a gallery. Photos are uploaded in the background. You can invite others, they enter with password only. You can even allow them to add photos themselves, maybe its the little league album. I don’t think you can edit the css, but every album has 4 pretty nice different views that any viewer can select between. You can even add photos from an iPhone or any device that supports email to the gallery over the wireless network. I used this for a garage sale. I created a gallery, posted a link to the gallery on a craigslist page. Went outside, took pics on my phone, sent them to gallery from device – done.
kintan
April 7, 2008 at 2:11 pm
these are cool ideas. sounds like a good next project for JFM!!
John Clifford
April 7, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I use Adobe Lightroom and a smugmug plugin that synchs photos from a particular catalog. smugmug has several plugins for Mac and PC an supports uploads of large files and video and photos loook awesome on large monitors or flat screen TV. No plugin for Apple TV yet.
goutham
August 6, 2008 at 8:46 am
http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrhacks/discuss/72157606557946184/#comment72157606575122796
:-)
Bob Redmond
September 4, 2008 at 10:10 pm
I’m looking for the exact same things, adding to your #1 the ability to retain the file/event structure I set up in iPhoto. I agree w/ David that Apple’s web galleries provide a lot of the functionality, although the password management is half-baked, the custom domain name has strings attached, and mobileme is such a mess that I want to escape the .mac/.me service altogether.
Smugmug seems to provide other good functionality, esp using a third-party uploader like MacDaddy or Picture Sync… but I can’t find an uploader that will pull event names from iPhoto or folder names from the hard drive. Thus I can only upload one event at a time. Slow.
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