Firefox and Internet Explorer
I’m a pretty regular user of both Firefox and IE on Vista. It helps to run both so I can test the results produced my meager CSS skills. I’ve noticed that there’s a few things I’d really like each browser to steal from the other.
Firefox please copy the fact that IE:
- creates new tabs to the right of the current tab you’re on. I’ll admit my evidence is anecdotal here but when I’m in the middle of browsing a page and want a new tab, it’s almost always something I really want close to what I’m currently browsing. IE totally got this right. I often have more than a dozen tabs on screen. Firefox will create the new tab all the way to the right often pushing my current tab offscreen. Going back and forth between the two sucks.
- has a button to the right of the rightmost tab to create a new tab. This is logical and helpful. Firefox could use this.
- handles text boxes properly. Text boxes may seem like simple entities to many folks but they are complicated entities with lots of user experience subtlety. For example, there are tons of small keyboard combinations that make navigating around a text box (with and without selecting) much easier. The arrow keys are the simplest example. But what happens when you want to select all the text prior to the cursor up to the point of the first paragraph break from the keyboard? You hold down shift-ctrl and choose the up arrow. This doesn’t work in Firefox. It’s super annoying especially if you’re writing/editing blog posts.
IE please copy the fact that Firefox:
- restores your session when you start again. There’s so much opportunity to do a better job here. Great place to leapfrog.
- supports Google Sync. OK. I admit it, it’s not a FF feature per se. But not only will it roam your session state, but your faves to boot.
- has Firebug for debugging your CSS. Firebug kicks ass. Clone it.
I’m sure I’ll find more down the road but that’s it for now.
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Yokel
October 11, 2007 at 10:44 am
In response to “Firefox please copy the fact that IE:
* has a button to the right of the rightmost tab to create a new tab. This is logical and helpful. Firefox could use this.”
Just double click in the space where you want the tab, presto, new tab. (Good you have to have at least 2 tabs open … Personally I just Cntrl+T)
(Just found your site. Looks lovely; I’ll poke around if you don’t mind).
Dugald Wilson
October 11, 2007 at 10:52 am
I don’t know if FireFox needs a button to click for adding new tabs. You can right click in the tab section, and the first option in the context-menu is to create a new tab. An even better alternative is just typing Ctrl-T!
RodeoClown
October 11, 2007 at 11:32 am
I totally agree with firefox putting the new tabs right next to the one you just opened. I hate having to go hunting for the tab I just opened (I know it’s at the end, but if I’ve got 20 tabs open, I don’t want to go scrolling to find it).
(Also – if you double-click on the empty space next to the tabs in FF, it opens a new tab).
Hillel
October 11, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Thanks for the tips. It’s true i can double click on the space next to the tabs for a new one. It’s also true that while not-discoverable, the lack of a button does lessen the clutter. That said, I think I’d still opt for the button as my tab area is always full. No blank space to double-click in. And yes, I can and do use my keyboard. But some people are keyboard folks, and some people are mouse folks.
The real problem (as Rodeo Clown mentions) is still the location where new tabs spawn. Even right-clicking to spawn a new tab from an existing one will place the new one all the way to the right (and off screen) if your tabs already span the width of the screen.
Jakob
October 12, 2007 at 1:33 am
Regarding “Firebug for IE”: Do you know the IE Web Developer Toolbar? It can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=E59C3964-672D-4511-BB3E-2D5E1DB91038&displaylang=en
It is a mixture of firebug, the DOM Inspector and the “Web Developer” addon in Firefox. I find it quite useful.
jeffdav
October 12, 2007 at 9:51 am
Restore Your Session: We looked at doing this when we developed the Tabbed Browsing feature. It’s harder to get right than you would think. For example, do you load your home page tab group or the previously viewed tab group? Do you persist pop-up windows? Etc. IE is used in such a wide variety of scenarios and different ways by different users, you end up “getting it wrong” according to half of them no matter what you do. Rather than deliver a crappy experiance in IE7, this was cut.
Google Sync: Roaming favorites is a perrenial IE feature that gets cut. Delicious exists for a reason. :)
Firebug: Allow me to present The IE Developer Toolbar: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/01/09/ie-developer-toolbar-beta-3-now-available.aspx. It does somethings better than firebug, and some things worse. Its still Beta, implying there is more to work to come. I use it all the time and it works pretty well. Has some UI quirks that piss me off.
Eric LeVine
October 12, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Hillel,
The one feature that consistently keeps me in FireFox instead of IE7 is the modeless CTRL+F experience. I guess I do a lot of searching within pages, and the modal IE Search dialog just sucks, always loses context etc.
BTW, FireBug is cool, but I think I need a new laptop. With FireBug running my FireFox slowed to a crawl. I had to disable it to get reasonable performance.
Hillel
October 12, 2007 at 8:08 pm
I really appreciate all the comments…
On Session Restore:
With all due respect, I don’t think “it’s hard” is a reason not to do it. There are many ways to solve the problem. The Firefox implementation is not nearly the best this feature can be. Tons of cool stuff can be done here. :)
On the IE webdev toolbar:
I have used it. I found it not nearly as polished as Firebug.
On Firebug slowing down Firefox:
I have found Firefox in general to slow to a crawl after a day or two. Leaky. But i admit i haven’t tried without Firebug installed.
On the Find pane:
I agree, I should have had it in there. It’s simply better.
On Roaming Favorites in IE:
I don’t think “delicious” is a serious answer to this request. No disrespect to delicious. I’m not looking for a favorite sharing service. I want a seamlessly integrated favorite roaming service.
Eric LeVine
October 16, 2007 at 10:33 am
Hmm, wasn’t there something from Microsoft that roamed favorites? Oh yeah, MSN Explorer…